Mueller Testimony Postmortem

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 07/25/2019 at 13:10 • Filed to: None

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If this is the last we see of Mueller—as it very likely is—it was a fitting sendoff. The Robert Mueller who showed up Wednesday was neither party’s caricature of him: Not the duplicitous, Trump-deranged witch-hunter bedeviled by much of the right, not the messianic, giant-slaying #Resistance hero adored by much of the left. Rather, he was just the dowdy old lawyer and public servant who was called on to do a crazily difficult and controversial task, and did it as best he could with the least possible amount of drama or fuss. That was the Robert Mueller we needed, and the Robert Mueller we got. Don’t blame him if we can’t handle the rest.

Andrew Egger, The Bulwark

When Donald Trump was running various businesses into the ground, and nursing his bone spurs, Robert Mueller was earning a Bronze Star for gallantry in Vietnam, which he did after allowing a knee injury to heal so that he could serve. (Mueller also was wounded by a bullet to the thigh, from which injury he recovered, whereupon he returned to combat.) Robert Mueller is a man who, like John McCain, is exponentially the greater man than Donald Trump will ever be and now, Robert Mueller’s final act of public service is to throw his body on the grenade that is Donald Trump’s term in office.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 13:16

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I like trucks

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 07/25/2019 at 13:18

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Yes, but without wagon wheels.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 13:19

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You and I are enemies now.

/s

functionoverfashion > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 13:21

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Well said, on both parts.

“Problematic is an understatement”

JeepJeremy > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 07/25/2019 at 13:23

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That Ram Charger is bad to the fuckin bone!!!

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 13:25

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But what do I do with my Robert Muller devotional candles?

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 13:38

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My wife worked for him . She said he was a good, though intimidating, boss - no-nonsense, and always did his homework so if you went to brief him on something he usually already knew almost as much as you did. If you came unprepared, he would rip you to shreds.

I got to meet him once, I thought he was a nice guy.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 13:54

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Grindintosecond > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 13:57

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He showed what everyone should do at their job, and that is their job to the best of their ability. He is prevented by law and therefore unable to accuse anyone of anything. His job was to show the evidence of anything at all that happened be it good or bad. It’s up to those, superiors and heads of law enforcement, who have legal ability to make any accusation and apply charges to do so and unfortunately, they don’t seem to take Mueller’s example to heart of how to do your job. IS there evidence of wrong doing? Yes. Mueller showed it and explained it and it’s right there in the documents, if anyone would care to read them. Will they prosecute it? No, becau se those who have the legal authority to do so personally don’t think a sitting president should be bothered, nor should this even be tested in court while he is in office. That is their take and a shame really, for demonstrating how a Democratic president and appointees could also behave.

Mueller did a good job and held it together. He may be a life long republican but he never let it get in the way, just like a real stand-up person should. It’s what the people do with the information that worry me. Just like all that information of terrorists and supporting countries and reasons to re-invade Iraq, etc. Wrong decisions.

Anyway, I think it will all come out in the wash 10 years after a ‘regime’ is out of office. Just like the truth of every presidency before has come out in various books and articles once everyone has different jobs and can speak freely . What I hate seeing is a person in the news who dies of old age or illness before they can get those big tomatoes in the face over the things they did . History, after the fact, will tell if he was truly as awful as some believe. If so, he better take that deserved kick in the sack.

Mueller did fine, its the law’s interpretation I’m deeply worried about. Thats my view.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Snuze: Needs another Swede 07/25/2019 at 13:58

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The United States are a large enough tent for us to regard each other highly, even if we do not always agree. Even if I thought Director Mueller was a conflicted witch hunter, I can still admire his valor and his service. I can find zero about President Trump to admire or respect.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 07/25/2019 at 13:59

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Those aren’t devotional candles, they’re a dumpster fire.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Grindintosecond 07/25/2019 at 14:05

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Yes. I agree entirely with your analysis. My entire complaint with the current state of affairs is President Trump’s abject moral rudderlessness, his complete lack of honor or integrity . Great nation that we are, we deserve a better person representing us.

Alongside your comment could go a side comment, that I read a week or two ago, that the feckless GOP lawmakers who haven’t yet quit, will all make a bunch of money later on clearing their consciences in books that they will (ghost)write and sell, how they regret having licked President Trumps boots.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 14:07

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Agreed. I have a lot of re spect for Mr. Mueller. He strikes me as a man who put his country first, above his own political or personal ambitions or leanings. Sadly I wish more people were able to do that these days. 

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Grindintosecond 07/25/2019 at 14:07

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Well said.  

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 14:07

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Now if we could just get an unredacted report.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Snuze: Needs another Swede 07/25/2019 at 14:13

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On a human level, I have to wonder whether Mr. Mueller’s health may be declining, as shown by his performance in front of Congress.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/25/2019 at 14:13

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I’ll ask Bill Barr about that next time we lunch.

boredalways > For Sweden 07/25/2019 at 14:16

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Light them around your bathtub, run hot water, add lavender bubble salts, and...well, the rest is up to you.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 14:17

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I am sure he has nothing to hide, another great person.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/25/2019 at 14:19

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I think there are plenty of Trump sycophants who’ve nothing to hide.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 14:31

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He’s a pretty private person but I know that around the time he left the FBI he was battling cancer.  Maybe it’s back?  I don’t know.  

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 14:33

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(Mueller also was wounded by a bullet to the thigh, from w hich injury he recovered, whereupon he returned to combat.)

Trump would just call him a “loser” for getting shot.

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 14:33

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But he owns teh libz, so that means he’s the greatest president ever.

I wish I was joking, but people out there actually believe that. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 07/25/2019 at 14:35

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Sad, but true.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 07/25/2019 at 14:35

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People in this space, too.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 14:55

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“Robert Mueller’s final act of public service is to throw his body on the grenade that is Donald Trump’s term in office.”

Not surprising given that Mueller is a Republican investigating a Republican administration/president .  Clearly only the dumbest person couldn’t see that conflict of interest.

He clearly didn’t have the incentive to go the extra mile the way Republican Kenneth Starr did when he investigated Bill Clinton.

In hindsight, what we needed was a Democrat version of a Kenneth Starr to do the investigation.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Grindintosecond 07/25/2019 at 14:59

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“He showed what everyone should do at their job, and that is their job to the best of their ability.”

I disagree. Compare the job he did to the job Kenneth Starr did on Bill Clinton.

There’s simply no comparison.

Kenneth Starr did way more with way less actual evidence.

The difference is that Republican Kenneth Starr had an interest in taking things as far as possible when investigating a Democrat President.

Mueller was a Republican investigating a Republican... he didn’t have the incentive to go the extra mile the way Starr did... but had to at least make it look like he did a proper and thorough job.

Grindintosecond > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 15:00

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I would actually read McConnell’s memoir after this is all over. Like any head of a party and team leader must do at any time of busy business, he is desperately trying to hold order, hold on to his party, make some sort of progress in all of this distraction, limit losses, gain wins where he can, even when he may seriously disagree with the administration.

I fully expect a line in that book to go something like this, “Again! What the hell! I have to make something work out of this? A week later I started a regimen of nitro glycerin pills....”

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 07/25/2019 at 15:01

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I like trucks too!

Grindintosecond > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/25/2019 at 15:02

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Or did K.Starr go farther than he should have and Mueller do what he should ? I’m curious about that angle. Interesting point.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/25/2019 at 15:05

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NO GOD. THERE IS NO GOD

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 15:07

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Or no fear and no shame (as there is no recourse against them)

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 07/25/2019 at 15:08

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I think what you’re saying is it needs some gullwing doors and dubs...

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 15:08

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oh, did you say “postmortem?”

ttyymmnn > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/25/2019 at 15:15

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The other difference is that Starr had video of Clinton perjuring himself.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/25/2019 at 15:17

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I would say that what we needed, was Joe Biden to run for president instead of Hillary Clinton in 2016.

ttyymmnn > Grindintosecond 07/25/2019 at 15:18

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As long as Graham, O’Connel l et al are getting their agenda passed and stacking the federal bench, he wouldn’t care if Adolf Hitler were Fü hrer   president. He might cry about it, but the Repubs are getting their wet dream. Thing is, the Repubs have been playing the long game. This has been years in the making. And it’s paying off better than Newt Gingrich ever could have hoped.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Grindintosecond 07/25/2019 at 15:19

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I think that is a fair question, but on a visceral level, I have trouble getting past how he handled the Merrick Garland nomination for the supreme Court

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Grindintosecond 07/25/2019 at 15:19

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That is a question well put.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/25/2019 at 15:20

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Then again, here we are trying to project our morality onto them.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 07/25/2019 at 15:21

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I’lltake your word for that one. But the word post-mortem does suggests that somehow the thing is dead and gone, which it clearly is not.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 15:21

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Well we can’t change the past. Though it’s looking like there’s a good chance it will be Biden for President against Trump in the next presidential election.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > ttyymmnn 07/25/2019 at 15:23

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A video of Mueller would purposely never get because he specifically chose not to subject Trump to the same type of video-recorded questioning.

Hence, my view that Mueller wasn’t interested in going the extra mile the way Starr did.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/25/2019 at 15:23

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Still early. 

ttyymmnn > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/25/2019 at 15:29

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For all of Clinton’s faults, he never thumbed his nose at the system. Or else he was so arrogant that he thought he could do testify without getting caught (“It depends on what the definition if is , is.”) Trump has absolutely no regard for our legal system, checks and balances, any of it, and the Republicans are just letting him have his way because they are fulfilling their agenda. If you or I were subpoenaed, do you think we could simply refuse?

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > ttyymmnn 07/25/2019 at 15:35

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“If you or I were subpoenaed, do you think we could simply refuse?”

We could try... though that likely wouldn’t end well for us.

LOL

On a more serious note, people well funded legal teams get a significantly different brand of ‘justice’ than the rest of us would.

I’ve seen this many times.

ttyymmnn > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/25/2019 at 15:59

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On a more serious note, people well funded legal teams get a significantly different brand of ‘justice’ than the rest of us would.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 16:28

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Morals, ethics, accountability - all alien concepts

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/25/2019 at 16:30

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And rhetoric is not harmful; don’t forget that one.

And yet...

The evangelicals are his most ardent supporters. People who are Christian witnesses. Or consider themselves to be as much... I am baffled. What’ll be interesting will be the aftermath, when the GOP are no longer in charge, and the backpedaling. But it won’t matter because the public conscious memory is very short.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 17:09

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It’ll be like Germany or France in the 60s - oh no, we weren’t part of that unpleasantness 25 years ago, nope no way not me.

Rhetoric riles up the drones.  The drones now are a scary bunch.  Fortunately, claiming to be religious has no relation to it being true.   

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/25/2019 at 20:09

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The Cauldron Born

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/25/2019 at 22:13

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There should be a daily announcement about which level of hell we occupy for the next 24 hours.